
LBJとロバート・モーゼスから学ぶ「権力」の教訓
What I learned about power from LBJ and Robert Moses

LBJとロバート・モーゼスから学ぶ「権力」の教訓
Dwarkesh Podcast
要約
Dwarkesh Patelが、伝記作家ロバート・カロへのインタビューに先立ち、モーゼスとリンドン・ジョンソンの伝記から読み取った権力獲得と行使の教訓をビデオエッセイとしてまとめた回。モーゼスは法律の文言と公社の債券契約で権限を固定し、人気・資金・人脈で地位を守った。ジョンソンは上院で影響力、議題設定、取引の仲介という3つの手法で多数党院内総務の職を実質的な権力に変えた。
この回のポイント
- ●モーゼスはトライボロー橋公社法に、債券の借換えや「その他の法人目的」での新規起債を認める一文を紛れ込ませ、公社を事実上の恒久組織にした。
- ●債券契約に権限を書き込むことで、州議会・知事・市長でも撤回できない形(合衆国憲法の契約条項による保護)にした。
- ●モーゼスは12の公職を兼務し、人気、連邦資金を獲得できる計画力、新聞社主との関係、銀行・労組・弁護士などへの利益配分で地位を守ったと語られる。
- ●カロの描写では、モーゼスは理想主義者から権力そのものを求める人物に変わり、ジョンソンは日和見主義者だったが権力を得て初めて理想のために使った。
- ●ジョンソンは、委員会配属などの利益供与と制裁の手段を握り、全会一致合意で議題を事前に固め、情報を集めて取引を仲介した。
- ●1957年公民権法では、ダム建設や陪審規定など無関係な利害を組み合わせる取引で、弱いながらも法案を通した。
章立て
カロへのインタビューと本エッセイの狙い
50年かけてジョンソン伝を書いたカロへの念願のインタビューに向け、伝記を読み返して権力の教訓をまとめたと説明する。
モーゼスの法文戦略:公社法の仕掛け
トライボロー橋公社法に忍ばせた借換え条項や債券契約の条項により、公社の権限を恒久化・憲法的に保護した経緯を語る。
30年間地位を守れた理由
解任要件の設計、12の兼務、高い人気、迅速な公共事業、連邦資金、辞任のちらつかせ、報道との関係を挙げる。
利益配分の仕組みと理想の変質
銀行・労組・弁護士・党幹部が潤う仕組みで推進派の連合を築き、理想主義者が権力依存に陥ったとするカロの見方を紹介する。
ジョンソン:日和見から権力の行使へ
上院でも南部保守派に合わせた時期と、大統領就任後に公民権法を主導した対比を述べる。
上院を支配した3つの手法
影響力の掌握、全会一致合意による議題設定、情報収集と取引の仲介でジョンソンが院内総務を強力な職にしたと説明する。
1957年公民権法と取引術
南北の対立する要求を、無関係な利害の取引で調整して法案成立に導いた事例を紹介する。
解説記事
ポッドキャスト Dwarkesh Podcast の司会 Dwarkesh Patel が、伝記作家 Robert Caro へのインタビュー公開を翌日に控え、準備のために読み返した Caro の2つの伝記から、権力の獲得と行使に関する教訓をビデオエッセイとしてまとめた回である。題材はニューヨークの建設王 Robert Moses と、米上院の多数党院内総務から大統領になった Lyndon Johnson だ。
法律の文言で権力を固めたモーゼス
Moses は選挙で選ばれたことがないにもかかわらず、30年以上ニューヨークで最も強い権力者だったと紹介される。鍵の一つは、州都オルバニーで「最高の法案起草者」と呼ばれた起草力である。
通常、公共事業のための公社は、債券で橋を建て、通行料で返済し終えたら解散する。しかし1933年のトライボロー橋公社法で Moses は、第9条の一節に「随時」旧債券を新債券で返済でき、その新債券は「その他の法人目的」にも使えるという趣旨の文言を加えた。これにより公社は事実上存続し続けられ、道路や公園などを「接続施設」として整備する名目で活動範囲を広げられた。
資金力も大きく、1946年にニューヨーク市政府が債務上限の1億5000万ドルしか借りられなかったのに対し、トライボローは3億6000万ドルを借りられたという。さらに債券契約に「債券の安全に関わるその他の事項」を盛り込める条項を入れ、通行料や剰余金の扱いなどを契約に書き込むことで、合衆国憲法の契約条項により、議会や知事や市長が後から権限を取り上げられないようにした。
地位を守る:人気、資金、人脈
法律は、委員が任期途中で解任されるには「正式な告発と聴聞」が必要だと定めていた。Moses の対立は建設や立ち退きをめぐるものであり、個人的な不正ではなかったため、告発の材料がなかったと説明される。また、市長任命と知事任命を含む12の役職を兼ねていたため、一つの首を切っても別の役職に力が残った。
人気も武器だった。1930〜40年代には「最も尊敬されるニューヨーカー」に選ばれ、公園局長就任後4か月で1700件の公園改修を終えたという。選挙の任期内にテープカットできる速さも政治家に好まれた。連邦のニューディール期の雇用対策資金の7分の1を獲得できたのも、整った計画と技術者チームのおかげで、市長はMoses の案を採るか何も作らないかの選択を迫られた。Moses は頻繁に辞任をちらつかせ、ラガーディア市長の弁護士が辞表の定型用紙を刷ったという逸話も語られる。新聞社主との親交により、辞任は「政治家に追われた」と報じられる恐れもあった。
さらに銀行、労組、弁護士、党幹部に利益が回る仕組みを作り、いわば「YIMBY」の利害連合を築いた。Caro は Moses を、改革運動で敗れ「理想は権力なしには無力」と学んだ人物として描き、権力が次第に目的化して「麻薬」のようになったと書く。
ジョンソンの3つの手法
Johnson は対照的に、一貫した信条が乏しい日和見主義者として描かれる。上院入り当初は南部保守派に自分を合わせ、黒人への共感は「見えなかった」と元上院議員 Talmadge が語ったという。だが大統領になって初めて、1964年公民権法と1965年投票権法を主導した。
多数党院内総務の正式権限は「発言で最初に指名される権利」だけで、前任者2人は議席を失っていた。Johnson はこの職を実質的な権力に変え、3つの手法を使ったと説明される。
- 影響力の確保。法案の日程、下院議長 Sam Rayburn への口利き、テキサスの石油業者からの資金、委員会配属を握り、与えることも拒むこともできる立場を作った。年功ではなく運営委員会での交渉に配属を移し、Estes Kefauver が反対票を投じた週に希望の席を John F. Kennedy に渡した例が挙がる。
- 議題設定。全会一致合意(討論時間や修正を制限する合意)が成立するまで法案を本会議に出させず、投票を非公開の取引で事前に固めた。
- 取引の仲介。各委員会に担当職員を置き、自らも議員の本音を聞き込んで、あらゆる取引で自分が有利になるようにした。
1957年公民権法という実例
1957年公民権法では、陪審裁判の扱いで北部と南部が対立し、どちらかが受け入れる案はもう一方が拒む状況だった。Johnson は7か月かけ、西部議員にはアイダホ・オレゴン間の連邦ダム、中西部共和党員には争議労働者への陪審権の拡大、穏健派には連邦陪審に黒人が参加できる条項を与え、南部の求める陪審規定は残して議事妨害を避けた。投票権とは無関係に見える要素を結び付けた取引の例として紹介される。
まとめ
このエッセイが示すのは、権力が支持や声量ではなく、制度の細部、資金、情報、取引の設計から生まれるという見方である。Moses の例は、契約や公社制度の設計が統治に与える影響を考えさせる。一方で、Patel が語る内容は Caro の著作に基づく解釈であり、評価には異論もありうる点には留意したい。翌日公開のインタビューと併せて聴くと、背景理解が深まるだろう。
文字起こし(英語・自動生成)
So I recently interviewed Robert Carrow. He spent the last 50 years writing a four-volume biography of Lyndon Johnson, and he spent another seven years before that writing the biography of Robert Moses, who was a master builder of New York. His books are widely regarded as the best explorations of political power that have ever been read, and they also happen to be literally my favorite books ever. Whenever I meet somebody new, one of the first questions that they often ask me is, who's the person you most want to interview that you haven't yet. And for six years, I've answered that question in the same way. Robert Kera. And I've actually spent a lot of time trying to make this interview happen. I've chased down his agent. I've called this publisher. I've contacted the museums, which are hosting his archives. I even sent him handwritten letters. I finally got to sit down with him, and I'm very happy with how it turned out. It'll be out tomorrow. In the meantime, as I was preparing for this interview, and I was rereading all of these biographies, I was writing down all the lessons that they'd laid out about how to accumulate and use power,
and this video essay is the result. Robert Moses was the master builder of New York. Our distinguished guest was Mr. Robert Moses, the nation's foremost city planner. He built more of the physical city than anybody before or since. He built the Triborough and Verrazano Bridges, the Cross Bronx Expressway, Jones Beach, Lincoln Center, Shea Stadium, two giant power dams upstate, in addition to hundreds of parks and pools. Of the 899 miles of highways completed in New York State by 1964, Moses had built 672 of them. His projects collectively cost hundreds of billions of dollars in today's money. For more than 30 years, Robert Moses was the most powerful person in New York, more powerful than any elected mayor or governor, despite the fact that he was not elected to anything. As I've heard it, ad nauseum, for the last 30-odd years,
they say you don't have to be elected. My stock reply to them is you don't have to be either. How did he get that much power, and how did he keep it? Part of the answer is that Moses wrote the laws that governed him. He was called the best bill drafter in Albany, And he used that skill to write himself powers that the legislators voting on his bills didn't know that they were granting. The political genius of Robert Moses is perhaps best illustrated by his use of public authorities. These are government-created corporations that build city infrastructure. Public authorities sell bonds to pay for a specific project, say a new bridge. Once the bridge is built, the authority would charge drivers a toll until it had collected enough money to pay off its bonds. Then the authority would tear down the toll booths, hand the bridge over to the city, and go out of existence. At least that was the idea. And that's what Albany assumed would happen when the New York State Congress approved the Triborough Bridge Authority Act of 1933, whose final version included, buried within pages and pages of legalese,
a few seemingly minor alterations that were drafted by Robert Moses. Now, Section 1 of this act clearly stated that the authority would dissolve once the bonds were paid off. And since the bonds could run at most 40 years, and the revenues from the bridge would pay back the initial cost far sooner, it seemed like the authority had a clear built-in expiry date. However, in a subsection of Section 9, Moses added a single sentence that said that the authority could, quote, from time to time, end quote, pay off its old bonds by issuing new ones. And those new ones could be, quote, for any other corporate purpose, end quote. So, just before the original bonds were about to expire, the authority now had the right to issue a totally fresh 40-year note for a potentially totally different use. And what could the authority build with all this money? Well, the original act let it build two bridges and their approaches. Triborough's chairman, Robert Moses, called this project more than a mere bridge. It will be, he said, an immense artery of travel in the very heart of the city.
From the island through the toll gate rides the first vehicle. Young men in rented tuxedos, the passengers. They parked here all week for the honor of being first to cross. Moses' amendments also gave this authority the right to build connecting roads and, quote, facilities not inconsistent with the use of the project, end quote. These rights, when interpreted as creatively as Moses intended to, would allow Moses to alter most of the roads, parks, and housing in New York. For if a road connected to a road which connected to a road which connected to the bridge, or if a park lay along the road that connected to the road that connected to the road that connected to the bridge, surely the Triborough Authority was entitled to improve and change it. All this construction cost could be financed by the bridge's enormous toll revenues and the right of the Triborough Authority to borrow against them. To give some perspective, in 1946, the entire New York City government could only borrow $150 million before hitting its legal debt limit.
That very same year, Triborough could borrow $360 million. So Moses' bridge authority had access to more than double the amount of money as the largest city in America. And what if a future governor or mayor eventually learned about all this power and revenue that had been delegated to this authority, and they decided to claw it back? Moses had planned for this too, and his solution was so clever that no lawyer or lawmaker in Albany saw it coming. The United States Constitution says that no state shall make, quote, any law impairing the obligation of contracts, end quote, entered into by a government entity. A bond issued by a public authority is such a contract. Moses snuck a clause into the act which allowed him to add, quote, any other matters of like or different character which in any way affect the security or protection of the bonds end quote into these bond contracts And these matters included that Triborough could charge whatever toll they wanted and for however long they wanted and they could keep the surplus thus generated
That is to say, Moses could now entrench his powers simply by writing them into the bonds that he issued. From the moment that those bonds were sold, those powers could no longer be revoked by the legislature, or by the governor, or by the mayor. By anything, in fact, short of a constitutional convention. The powers that Moses now had were guaranteed for the bond's entire lifetime, a lifetime which could always be extended simply by refinancing. So with just a few minor tweaks, Moses had turned an act meant to allow for the construction of two bridges into the basis of an institution that could build basically anything it wanted anywhere in New York and whose authority to do so was protected by the United States Constitution. These bond covenants had turned Triborough authorities' powers into granite, but nothing in them guaranteed that Robert Moses would remain its chairman. So how did Moses retain this position for 30 years?
Part of the answer is, again, the law. Moses drafted the Triborough Act so that its commissioners could be removed midterm only on, quote, stated charges after a formal hearing, end quote. But any differences he had with the mayor or governor were more about what he decided to build and whom he displaced to build it, rather than his personal conduct. As Carrow himself writes, So there were never any formal charges to bring. But this only explains why he wasn't fired in the middle of his term. Why was he reappointed every six years? Well, at his peak, Moses was a hydra with a dozen heads. He held 12 different government posts at the same time. City construction coordinator, chairman of the state council of parks, chairman of the state power authority, and so on. Some of these positions were appointed by the mayor, some of them by the governor, and so no single person could cut off the head simultaneously.
And removing him from any one position meant that you were making an enemy with a man who would still be the most powerful person in New York. More importantly, no mayor or governor wanted to fire him. The way we remember Robert Moses today is based on a reputation that was calcified in the 1970s, when the power broker came out and where New York was experiencing a dark age of crime, deindustrialization, and white flight. Moses got much of the blame for this. After all, the subtitle of the power broker is Robert Moses and the Fall of New York. But in my opinion, this crisis had more to do with larger structural factors that had nothing to do with Moses himself. cities that he had nothing to do with, like Detroit and St. Louis, experienced a much more dramatic collapse. For the vast majority of his career, Moses was incredibly popular. In the 1930s and 1940s, New York high schools voted Moses the most admired New Yorker. This was because he had delivered, over and over again, public works which millions of New Yorkers got to use and enjoy.
The beaches, parks, pools. They used to dive off a dock into the murky river, but now it's splashing the looks in a grand up-to-date Lido. It costs a cool million and the kids say it's worth it. And he did so at a speed and a scale that nobody had seen before. In his first four months as the city's park commissioner, he kept crews working around the cloth and finished 1,700 park renovations. And he did this all without a whiff of personal scandal. As Kara writes in The Power Broker, Quote, it was not unusual at park and playground opening ceremonies for children frauded by their parents to break into the cheer. Importantly, Moses could deliver these enormous and popular public works within a time frame that fit into a single election cycle. If the mayor gave Robert Moses the power to build something, he could expect to be standing at its ribbon cutting before he was up for re-election. Robert Moses, Mayor Wagner, and Cardinal Spellman join other dignitaries in a ribbon cutting at the Brooklyn side of the bridge.
Today, it's almost unimaginable that the government could construct big things in a year or two. For example, construction on the 2nd Avenue subway in New York began in 1972, and the first section was opened in 2017. And just these initial two miles have cost the taxpayers $4.5 billion. A lot of the funding for public works comes from Washington. Cities that receive the most money are the ones that have finalized their blueprints and can start breaking ground as soon as a new federal initiative is announced. Moses had the largest and best team of planners and engineers in the entire country. And because of that, by 1936, New York was getting one-seventh of the money that the federal government had set aside for Depression-era work relief for the entire nation. And the projects that this funding was going towards were the ones chosen by Moses. If the mayor had some different idea about what should be constructed, he had to draw up his own plans, which he didn't have the independent technical expertise to do so. So he could either build the projects that Moses wanted to build, or he could build nothing at all.
Between his ability to get things done, his popularity, and his control over money, Moses had a lot of leverage, and he was not shy about using it. Far from being worried about getting fired, Moses would constantly threaten to quit whenever he didn't get his way. Under Mayor Wagner, 1A said that, quote, it seemed like he was resigning about one thing or another about twice a day, end quote. He threatened resignation to Mayor LaGuardia so often and over such small things that LaGuardia's lawyer got a stack of forms printed that read, quote, I, Robert Moses, do hereby resign that so and so, end quote, to save Moses the trouble of writing it out every single time. But behind that joke was real fear. If a mayor accepted that resignation, not only would he be forfeiting the completion of whatever projects Moses was working on along with the money that was apportioned for those projects he also be picking a public fight with the most respected official in all of New York Maybe this is the most important thing just sheer stubbornness Moses had spent years befriending the owners of the city's newspapers.
He spent many weekends at the summer home of the Sulzbergers, which is the family that owns the New York Times. The mayor knew that if Moses resigned, the next morning all the front pages would tell the same story about how a man above politics was driven out by a craven politician because he refused to compromise the city's interests. And the power that Moses derived from his popularity with the masses was nothing compared to the power that he derived from his connections with New York's powerful private interests. We are very used today to NIMBY, Not in My Backyard, where powerful but concentrated interest groups manage to stymie projects despite their broad popularity. Moses built a concentrated faction for YIMBY, Yes, in my backyard. He built a graft machine that ensured that the most powerful people in the state would all benefit when new construction happened. The banks got to buy his bonds at a steep discount with that competitive bidding. The unions got more jobs. Politically connected lawyers got legal fees. And party bosses got paid to broker insurance policies to bridges that had no plausible risk of falling down.
Moses could then rely on these beneficiaries to call up anyone who stood in the way of one of his projects, whether that was the borough president or the governor himself. Carroll paints Moses as somebody who began as an idealist, rather than somebody who craved power from the very start. In the 1910s, Moses was a brilliant young reformer who joined this new good government movement, which was trying to replace Tammany Hall's patronage with honest and competent administration. He spent years fighting this machine, but his reforms got killed. The machine won, and Moses learned that ideals are useless without the power to realize them. Carrow writes, quote, In the beginning, and for decades of his career, the power Robert Moses amassed was a servant of his dreams, amassed for their sake, so that his gigantic, city-shaping visions could become reality. But power is not an instrument that its possessor can use with impunity. It is a drug that creates in the user a need for larger and larger doses. And Moses was a user.
End quote. Lyndon Johnson's story, on the other hand, is kind of the opposite. Through most of his career, there's little evidence that he had a coherent political ideology. He was a ruthless power seeker who embraced whatever happened to be the most expedient thing to do at that time. When Johnson first entered the U.S. Senate, he realized that the most powerful men there were the conservative Southern Dixiecrats, and the Johnson that they encountered was one who molded himself to their form. While writing Master of the Senate, Volume 3 of his Johnson biographies, Caro interviewed former Georgia Senator Herman Talmadge. He asked Talmadge what impression he got from freshman Senator Lyndon Johnson about the proper relationship between white people and black people. And now quoting Caro's recounting of this exchange, Quote, Master and servant. So I, Kiro, asked, Well, didn't Johnson have any sympathy for blacks? Any desire to improve their lot? My notes say, long pause. And then I wrote Talmadge's two-word reply.
None indicated. Another pause. And then, he was with us in his heart. I believed him. I believed him. End quote. Of course, we know that once he became president, Johnson spearheaded the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, the most important civil rights law since Reconstruction. So Moses began as a naive idealist, but in Karras telling, became somebody seeking power for its own sake. Johnson, on the other hand, was an opportunist from the very start. It was only once he had real power that he used it for ideals few knew that he had. Before he was president, Lyndon Johnson was vice president. Before he was vice president, Lyndon Johnson was in the Senate. and Lyndon Johnson was the most powerful Senate majority leader, perhaps the most powerful legislative period in the history of this country. Here's Kiro, quote, He was master of the Senate, master of an institution that had never before had a master, and that at the time almost half a century later, when this book is being written,
has not had one since, end quote. No leader before Johnson had wielded this kind of power because the Senate had deliberately been set up by the founders to not be led, When Johnson asked the Library of Congress for a list of the majority leader's formal powers, he found that there was exactly one, the right to be recognized first on the floor. Before Johnson, the majority leader was less a leader and more a lightning rod. He'd be blamed in the national press and in his home state for everything that the Senate failed to do, yet he had no actual power to do anything about those failures. Being in this predicament was so politically toxic that Johnson's two predecessors as majority leaders had both lost their own Senate seats. A big part of the reason that Johnson became his party's leader at just 44 years old, in a Senate whose average age was around 60, was that hardly anybody else wanted this thankless and useless job. And in their hands, the job would have remained useless. But they were not Lyndon Johnson. From this position, Johnson turned himself into the second most powerful person in America,
right after the president. And he used three different tactics to do so. First, he gained leverage. He made sure that he had things to promise and things to threaten with. Johnson transformed the Senate's rules, institutions, and norms so that he alone had the power to grant important favors to his colleagues. If a senator needed a bill passed, Johnson was the one who could get it scheduled on the floor and persuade the committee chairman to report it out. And if the bill needed help in the House, Johnson was the one who had a direct line to Speaker Sam Rayburn. And if the senator needed money for his next campaign so that he could make sure he remained a senator, Johnson was the one who could put in a good word with the oilmen from his native Texas. Johnson also put himself in a position to control committee assignments which are the single biggest factor that shapes how a senator whole career plays out For about a century they had been handed out based on seniority Practically overnight Johnson changed the system so that many seats were no longer being settled by seniority, but rather negotiated by the party's steering committee, with Johnson control.
If you wanted a good seat, you had to do what Johnson wanted. In 1957, S.S. Keefauer voted against Johnson on an important motion. That very same week, the highly coveted open seat on the Foreign Relations Committee, which Kiefer was expecting to get, was instead handed over to a far more junior senator named John F. Kennedy. The real political genius of Lyndon Johnson was identifying and then gaining control over every possible source of leverage over his colleagues. Whatever a senator needed to survive, whether that was money, committee seats, or the passage of bills that matter to his home state. Johnson could give and Johnson could withhold. The second important tactic was setting the agenda. What is set by a bill that passes depends on which version actually comes up for a vote and with what final modifications. Whoever gets to set this agenda controls the outcome, so you won't be surprised by who put himself in this position. Johnson's main
tool for controlling the agenda was the unanimous consent agreement. By default, Senate debate is unlimited. A senator can talk about a bill for as long as he likes, and as he does so, he can also offer amendments that have nothing to do with that bill, each of which can stall the bill even further. A unanimous consent agreement sets those freedoms aside for a single bill. It fixes the allotted time for debate and constrains the opportunity to amend it. Earlier leaders had rarely used such agreements, and even when they had, they'd only used them after weeks of debate on a bill that had already been exhausted in its deliberations. Johnson made their use, the norm in the Senate. He wouldn't even allow a bill to reach the floor until such an agreement was in place. And the reason was that Johnson wanted to control which bills reached the floor and to keep the floor from changing anybody's mind, because he wanted every vote settled in private beforehand through the wheeling and dealing where his leverage worked best. The last thing he wanted was for a long public debate about the merits of some bill to change a senator's mind at the very last minute, or for a surprise amendment to unravel
a deal that he had spent weeks painstakingly brokering. As Senator Paul Douglas put it, under Johnson, all the actions take place offstage before the play begins. And the third tactic that Johnson employed was brokering all the deals to his advantage. Johnson made sure that as much of the Senate's information as possible ran through him. He had every committee assign a staffer to tell him what was being drafted. His aides tracked what every senator was up to. And he spent his own days in the cloakroom and in the hallways cajoling and listening to his colleagues. So he knew exactly what each senator really wanted and what he would and wouldn't give up to get it. In any session, the Senate faces hundreds of possible bills and amendments. A senator's vote on one bill can be traded for another senator's vote on a different one. And any single bill can be amended a dozen different ways to win somebody over. So there's almost an endless combination of possible deals to be made. Johnson made sure that he was the one instigating and brokering most of these deals. As a result, he would be making sure that any deal left Johnson coming out ahead.
A good example is how he got the Civil Rights Act of 1957 passed through the Senate. Johnson was desperate to make sure that at least some civil rights bill passed that year, even if it was weak. That's because he wanted to become president, but no Southerner with his record of consistently voting against civil rights could hope to win the Democratic presidential nomination in 1960. The problem was there seemed to be no bill strong enough to win the Northern liberals, yet weak enough that the Southerners wouldn't filibuster it. The sticking point was who would preside over the court cases where Southern electoral officials were accused of suppressing Black voters. Southern senators insisted on jury trials, but Northern senators were livid because in their view, this would gut the whole bill. The entire point of the law was to combat the exclusion of black citizens from the voting rules. But Southern states require jurors to be registered voters. And an all-white Southern jury would never convict a white registrar for turning away black voters. And so any version that one side could accept, the other would reject.
A less creative legislator would have backed down. But over the course of seven months, Johnson built a masterful deal that brought together wholly unrelated factions. and whose byproduct included the passage of this civil rights law. Western senators got a vote on a federal ban that they had wanted for years between Idaho and Oregon. Midwestern Republicans, who had powerful railroad unions in their state, got to a right to a jury trial extended to striking workers. And moderates got a clause guaranteeing that black citizens could serve on federal juries so that they could tell voters that they had created a new civil right. Meanwhile, the jury trial guarantee for southern election officials stayed in, which kept the bill weak enough that Southerners agreed not to filibuster it. A dam in Idaho and protections for union workers and federal jury rules had nothing to do with voting rights in the South, at least not to anyone who lacked the inside knowledge and political creativity of Lyndon Johnson.
Kira's books are the best written accounts of how political power actually works, but they are written so compellingly, and with characters more vivid and stories more gripping than any novel, that it's very easy to get so engrossed that you just keep turning the pages. And you never stop and ask yourself, what are the lessons these stories are teaching about power? I wanted to make this video essay, both so that I could think through what these lessons actually are, but also so that you would have the context necessary to watch my interview with Caro and get as much out of it as I did. You'll be able to watch the interview tomorrow. So by the time you're listening to this, it might already be out. I hope you enjoy it.
番組の概要欄(原文)
I recently got to interview Robert Caro, who is my favorite author of all time. This gave me the excuse to reread his biographies of Lyndon Johnson and Robert Moses, and to compile my prep notes into this video essay. These guys pulled off some truly incredible schemes. Thanks to Max Farrens, who paired with me in writing the script for this video essay. If you just want to read the essay: https://www.dwarkesh.com/p/lessons-in-power This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.dwarkesh.com
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